All things Grateful Dead.

[bennyboy]

Here it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGI_0qAqWrE&sns=fb

[bennyboy]

Are you saying that Jerry and Phil had a big fight? Physically or just yelling at one another?

Jerry ran over to Phil, while phil was drinking a Heniken, and pushed him. And then they had an animated argument with each othr with people between the two.

Also that same night a HUGE Hells Angel came onstage and started picking at Jerry's guitar while Jeery was playing it. He had Patches, the works, and Jerry just let him until they kind of vibed him back stage.

[bennyboy]

3-15-11. INCREDIBLE!

http://www.mediafire.com/?q1jytaletgtrg

Furthur
2011-03-15
Best Buy Theater, New York, NY

http://www.mediafire.com/?q1jytaletgtrg

Disc I:
Set One
Dancin' In The Streets (8:17)
Loose Lucy (8:14)
I Need a Miracle (2:40)
Tennessee Jed (9:06)
Corrina (13:36)
Crazy Fingers (10:20)
So Many Roads (8:29)
Mason's Children(7:24)

Disc II:
Set Two
Golden Road (8:05)
Scarlet Begonias (12:01)
China Cat Sunflower (5:23)
Ramble On Rose (8:57)
New Potato Caboose (7:10)
You Never Give Me Your Money (3:52)
Sun King (4:11)
Mean Mr. Mustard (1:05)
Polythene Pam (1:35)
She Came In Through the Bathroom Window (1:47)
Golden Slumbers (1:45)
Carry That Weight (1:39)
The End(3:00)

Disc III:
Built To Last (5:20)
Truckin' (13:50)

Encore:
Donor Rap (1:49)
Happy Birthday (:33)
St. Stephen (10:53)
Her Majesty (1:33)

[groovy1967]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGI_0qAqWrE&sns=fb

Ummmm...has anyone actually listened to this and still called it "incredible"? If so, is it incredible that they learned these songs or merely incredible that they sang them so poorly, with the exception of John? Even the backup singers sound kind of rough.

Something tells me that this will go down as a you-had-to-be-there moment, not all that different than Phish's turn on Dark Side of the Moon from 11-2-98.

[MormonMatthew]

Something tells me that this will go down as a you-had-to-be-there moment, not all that different than Phish's turn on Dark Side of the Moon from 11-2-98.

While I will keep my personal feelings on the vast majority of Phish's original compositions to myself, just out of curiosity, what is the general collective opinion (among the hardcore Phish-Heads) of the 11/2/98 Dark Side Of The Moon show?

[groovy1967]

While I won't offer my personal feelings on the vast majority of Phish's original compositions, just out of curiosity, what is the general collective opinion (among the hardcore Phish-Heads) of the 11/2/98 Dark Side Of The Moon show?

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I think it was pretty amazing that they put that together and pulled it off within a few hours. As soon as I read about it, I was dying to hear it.

That said, I may have only listened to the discs once or twice. I mean, if you want to hear Dark Side of the Moon, why would you listen to someone do an as-faithful-as-they-could rendition of it when you could easily listen to the Pink Floyd original? Aside from Fishman wretchedly destroying "The Great Gig in the Sky" in his own comic way, it's not as if they put much of their own stamp on it, as they often do with Halloween material.

[Canine Horror]

That said, I may have only listened to the discs once or twice. I mean, if you want to hear Dark Side of the Moon, why would you listen to someone do an as-faithful-as-they-could rendition of it when you could easily listen to the Pink Floyd original? Aside from Fishman wretchedly destroying "The Great Gig in the Sky" in his own comic way, it's not as if they put much of their own stamp on it, as they often do with Halloween material.

I am admittedly completely outside the fold when it comes to this particular obsession, but following your reasoning, I am utterly bemused with the seemingly endless Grateful Dead spinoffs /tribute bands, attempting apparently note-for-note recreations of the 'originals' (often themselves covers, of course).
Can anyone explain to me what it's all about?
Not hating, just curious.

[bennyboy]

Ummmm...has anyone actually listened to this and still called it "incredible"? If so, is it incredible that they learned these songs or merely incredible that they sang them so poorly, with the exception of John? Even the backup singers sound kind of rough.

Something tells me that this will go down as a you-had-to-be-there moment, not all that different than Phish's turn on Dark Side of the Moon from 11-2-98.

I dunno know that has some bigger things and sounds like the GD not the Beatles. Loosey Goosey for sure.....Lots of good jams though and Phil is killing the basslines. Bet the Mediafires are sweetness.

I did not care for Phish "Costumes" for the most part. Not DSOM, not Quadrophenia or Any of them. Too note for notey.

BUT, EXILE is the schnizzle of the whizzle. They let it fly for that one.

[groovy1967]

I am admittedly completely outside the fold when it comes to this particular obsession, but following your reasoning, I am utterly bemused with the seemingly endless Grateful Dead spinoffs /tribute bands, attempting apparently note-for-note recreations of the 'originals' (often themselves covers, of course).
Can anyone explain to me what it's all about?
Not hating, just curious.

Well, I don't think think any of them are really attempting note-for-note recreations. The ones that are/were side projects or reunions involving original members (The Other Ones, The Dead, Furthur, Ratdog, Phil & Friends, Mickey Hart's Mystery Box, Rhythm Devils, 7 Walkers) all play some songs from the Grateful Dead canon (some much more than others), but each band has kind of put their own stamp on the music. In some instances, they've taken classic segue-ways and inverted the order (China Cat Sunflower->I Know You Rider sometimes becomes I Know You Rider->China Cat Sunflower) and in others, they've even added measures, altered keys. or completely changed the time signature of a song (The Other Ones' version of Fire On The Mountain). Almost every one of these bands has demonstrated a desire to shake up setlists, playing songs in different positions and changing long-established medleys, something the Grateful Dead really stopped doing after 1977, if not earlier. Not everyone shares my view on this, but I believe the better of these bands (Phil & Friends, Furthur) have been most successful when their shows are more about the jamming and improvisation than the songs themselves, which is probably a good thing when you consider how poorly most of these guys sing these days.

Now other Dead-esque bands without GD alumni tend to be more cover bands striving for more of a traditional Grateful Dead sound. Dark Star Orchestra established a little niche for themselves and became the most successful GD cover band because they decided to recreate setlists song-for-song, also making sure that they replicated the instrumentation and sonic feel of that particular performance in history. However, they have not and do not play shows note-for-note. They still use the setlists as vehicles for improvisation, but they definitely sound the most like the vintage Grateful Dead. They are very good at what they do, but I do find it to be a little eerie, like watching ghosts play.

Funny enough, today I received this email, which is the first time I've heard of a band attempting to recreate a Grateful Dead album note-for-note. I'm not sure how I feel about it:

We just started working with a band called Dead On. The leader of the band,
Marc Muller (who just recorded with Bruce Springsteen) transcribed American
Beauty and Workingman's Dead note for note and assembled a killer band to
perform them. They did one show at the Count Basie Theater in October, which
was filmed. I saw the video and was floored by how amazing they sounded.
Video and audio can be found on their website deadonlive.com. The Dead were
never about doing anything precise, but it's really refreshing to hear these
albums played that way.


They'll be performing at the Best Buy Theater next. After both albums are
performed they'll do an extended encore with some other classic Dead songs.
We anticipate some special guests too. Details below.

We could use your support! Thanks!



DEAD ON: A Note For Note Recreation Of

The Grateful Dead's American Beauty & Workingman's Dead



Fri June 24

Best Buy Theater
Times: 7pm Doors 8pm Show

Ticket Price: $20adv $23dos

Ages: 16+
Show on sale this Friday March 18th at noon

[groovy1967]

I dunno know that has some bigger things and sounds like the GD not the Beatles. Loosey Goosey for sure.....Lots of good jams though and Phil is killing the basslines.

I agree the Phil's bass sounds very good, but there's nothing new there. Otherwise, it just sounds a lot like a hollow, somewhat sparse, and tinny (thanks to the Pepto Bismol guitar of Bob Weir) version of Abbey Road. If it weren't for John Kadlecik's guitar and Joe Russo's drums, it would have been unbearable. Is your comparison to latter day GD based on the fact that the vocals are somewhat awful? I'm surprised that even the backup singers sounded bad there.

And for the record, I really like Furthur a lot.

I did not care for Phish "Costumes" for the most part. Not DSOM, not Quadrophenia or Any of them. Too note for notey.

I think their rendition of Remain In Light was the high water mark, as they certainly opened up a few of those songs and their way with 'em. And there are certainly ones that could not possibly be note for note, as they lacked the original instrumentation for Waiting For Columbus (only one guitar and no slide), as well as Exile on Main Street.

BUT, EXILE is the schnizzle of the whizzle. They let it fly for that one.

Wow. I couldn't disagree more. The beginning of that set is just brutal to listen to because they're so nervous and restrained. Thankfully, they finally start relaxing about mid-way through and eventually have some fun with it, but the vocals just sound like a neutered dog in comparison to the iconic work of Mick Jagger, and I can't get past that.

Ah, well. To each his peach.

[McGregor]

I think their rendition of Remain In Light was the high water mark

Loaded by Velvet Underground was my favorite by far. They still play a few of those regularly as well (RocknRoll, Oh Sweet Nothin).

as for the original discussion, does anyone really think they are going to play a better show now than at their peak? Enjoy it for what it is.

[groovy1967]

Loaded by Velvet Underground was my favorite by far. They still play a few of those regularly as well (RocknRoll, Oh Sweet Nothin).

I like their Loaded, as well, although I think that's partly because I truly love that album. Of course, when you compare that night's "Rock 'n Roll" to the versions they've played of it in the last 13 years, it's not even close because that song has become a roving beast!

as for the original discussion, does anyone really think they are going to play a better show now than at their peak? Enjoy it for what it is.

Comparing Furthur to 1972-74 Grateful Dead is a joke, but I think Furthur certainly stands up to and often surpasses much of what the Dead did from the early-to-mid 1980s through 1995.

[McGregor]

Of course, when you compare that night's "Rock 'n Roll" to the versions they've played of it in the last 13 years, it's not even close because that song has become a roaving beast!

no doubt

the version from 3-1-03 to open the second set in Greensboro is the goods.

and yea my comment came off wrong before, GD/Further certainly can still be great. I have a buddy going next Fri night, very jealous.

[bennyboy]

Ummmm...has anyone actually listened to this and still called it "incredible"? If so, is it incredible that they learned these songs or merely incredible that they sang them so poorly, with the exception of John? Even the backup singers sound kind of rough.

Something tells me that this will go down as a you-had-to-be-there moment, not all that different than Phish's turn on Dark Side of the Moon from 11-2-98.

I agree the Phil's bass sounds very good, but there's nothing new there. Otherwise, it just sounds a lot like a hollow, somewhat sparse, and tinny (thanks to the Pepto Bismol guitar of Bob Weir) version of Abbey Road. If it weren't for John Kadlecik's guitar and Joe Russo's drums, it would have been unbearable. Is your comparison to latter day GD based on the fact that the vocals are somewhat awful? I'm surprised that even the backup singers sounded bad there.

And for the record, I really like Furthur a lot.



I think their rendition of Remain In Light was the high water mark, as they certainly opened up a few of those songs and their way with 'em. And there are certainly ones that could not possibly be note for note, as they lacked the original instrumentation for Waiting For Columbus (only one guitar and no slide), as well as Exile on Main Street.

by note for note I really mean uninspired, close to the vest, no jams, etc. Even WFC from this year is not that great if you ask me. And due to the fact that I am not into any of the other costumes, I have never heard "Remain In Light". (Confession: I hardly ever listen to Phish at home).

The good thing though, is when these bands do the costumes, or themes, or whatever, they take certain songs with them and they only get better.

Wow. I couldn't disagree more. The beginning of that set is just brutal to listen to because they're so nervous and restrained. Thankfully, they finally start relaxing about mid-way through and eventually have some fun with it, but the vocals just sound like a neutered dog in comparison to the iconic work of Mick Jagger, and I can't get past that.

Ah, well. To each his peach.

Well being at Festival 8 probably had a ton to do with it... For me it was one of the best nights of music of my life (of course, every night of music is the best night of music...). The third set was MIND BLOWING. Ghost, Suzy the highlights. (Sharon Jones!)

Now the one band that ALWAYS pulled of the stunt set list is SCI. When tehy did theme shows, the band blew them out. NYE, Halloween shows, the themes, the set lists and the way Cheese made every song sound like SCI was incredible. They didn't do the album thing, but picked a theme and then set the list. Time, Sea OF Dreams etc..

And those songs would end up in the rotation.

[bennyboy]

And in that clip the jam is not there so that is a bit unfair. no jam no payoff. Kind of like a tease with no payoff.... Listen to the MediaFire discs then tell me how that was. MUCH Improved.