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  • Not to beat a dead horse, but OffBeat just did their jazz fest redux, and i think it's behind a paywall for subscribers. This is from the first blurb. I post it only because it describes the vendor paying 22.5% of the gross to the festival as fact, not rumor.

    One of the biggest changes this year was the fallout of going cashless. Although the Jazz Fest indicated that the new system was being used to be more in line with other festivals, the change, in our opinion, was more for accountability. Some cash transactions could have (and probably have) fallen through the cracks, but it’s impossible to overlook the cashless ones. The new system consequently created substantially increased food prices (some at 30 percent or more), and tax was added to the total. In previous years, prices of food and beverage did not have taxes added to the total paid by the consumer; vendors were responsible for paying tax. To make matters worse, rather than making a tip optional, tipping was requested on each transaction at the buyer’s discretion. What was a “cash” business is now 100 percent transparent. Vendors had to increase prices to account for the 22.5 percent of gross sales that the Jazz Fest retained as a booth fee, to cover increased food and labor costs and also to cover a fee of 3.25 percent per transaction for running credit cards. That’s almost 26% of the vendors’ gross sales. There were several long-time vendors who dropped out this year (most notably, the Crawfish Bread and Cracklins), most probably due to the increased expense of operating the booth in the cashless system. And another annoying result for consumers was that the time needed to process transactions per customer basically doubled, causing long lines. We were told by several Fest attendees that they purchased less food this year, compared to other years. However, cashless is here to stay, so prepare to spend a lot more money on food and beverage at future Jazz Fests. You can bet that the city is clapping its hands in joy for the additional (guaranteed to be correct) tax revenue, and the Jazz Fest can now evaluate vendors performance while at the same time gain over a fifth of all vendors’ gross revenue. If the market will bear the increase in food prices and the vendors still make money, it’s a win…but not necessarily for buyers who saw their Jazz Fest food increase in price by a shocking amount.

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    • If LineFest keeps this model in place unchanged, I predict a lot more venders throwing in the towel for next year. As a consumer, I don't see myself back unless Peter Gabriel or Black Laurel is playing. The prices and hassles far outweigh the fun.

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      • Originally posted by HankAndLeeStamper
        Not to beat a dead horse, but OffBeat just did their jazz fest redux, and i think it's behind a paywall for subscribers. This is from the first blurb. I post it only because it describes the vendor paying 22.5% of the gross to the festival as fact, not rumor.

        One of the biggest changes this year was the fallout of going cashless. Although the Jazz Fest indicated that the new system was being used to be more in line with other festivals, the change, in our opinion, was more for accountability. Some cash transactions could have (and probably have) fallen through the cracks, but it’s impossible to overlook the cashless ones. The new system consequently created substantially increased food prices (some at 30 percent or more), and tax was added to the total. In previous years, prices of food and beverage did not have taxes added to the total paid by the consumer; vendors were responsible for paying tax. To make matters worse, rather than making a tip optional, tipping was requested on each transaction at the buyer’s discretion. What was a “cash” business is now 100 percent transparent. Vendors had to increase prices to account for the 22.5 percent of gross sales that the Jazz Fest retained as a booth fee, to cover increased food and labor costs and also to cover a fee of 3.25 percent per transaction for running credit cards. That’s almost 26% of the vendors’ gross sales. There were several long-time vendors who dropped out this year (most notably, the Crawfish Bread and Cracklins), most probably due to the increased expense of operating the booth in the cashless system. And another annoying result for consumers was that the time needed to process transactions per customer basically doubled, causing long lines. We were told by several Fest attendees that they purchased less food this year, compared to other years. However, cashless is here to stay, so prepare to spend a lot more money on food and beverage at future Jazz Fests. You can bet that the city is clapping its hands in joy for the additional (guaranteed to be correct) tax revenue, and the Jazz Fest can now evaluate vendors performance while at the same time gain over a fifth of all vendors’ gross revenue. If the market will bear the increase in food prices and the vendors still make money, it’s a win…but not necessarily for buyers who saw their Jazz Fest food increase in price by a shocking amount.
        Was there no booth fee previously?

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        • Originally posted by Lit

          Was there no booth fee previously?
          I don't know the answer. I believe that the craft booths pay a flat fee, not a percentage (i think Rosetree confirmed that). i have been looking for an answer to this for 2023, where I have heard rumors of "20% fee" but this is the first actual reporting i have seen claiming it to be true.

          Also --- Gregg ---- i thought the plan was we all write in "Black Laurel" on the fest questionnaire, and then when you get an offer you decline and tell them you're boycotting cause of long lines!!

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          • Originally posted by HankAndLeeStamper

            I don't know the answer. I believe that the craft booths pay a flat fee, not a percentage (i think Rosetree confirmed that). i have been looking for an answer to this for 2023, where I have heard rumors of "20% fee" but this is the first actual reporting i have seen claiming it to be true.

            Also --- Gregg ---- i thought the plan was we all write in "Black Laurel" on the fest questionnaire, and then when you get an offer you decline and tell them you're boycotting cause of long lines!!
            If the 'offer' comes.... I'll be the first in line.

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            • Originally posted by Marignygregg
              If LineFest keeps this model in place unchanged, I predict a lot more venders throwing in the towel for next year. As a consumer, I don't see myself back unless Peter Gabriel or Black Laurel is playing. The prices and hassles far outweigh the fun.
              I can't say that I will never go again and I did have fun this year but I don't see myself going very often from now on. The last few years I've had that "been there, done that" feeling and may go check out The International Fest next year unless they manage to get some of my faves like (Tom Waits, yeah right) Peter or Bruce or Neil to play. If I did not live here I doubt I'd ever come down for this fest anymore. The night show scene was the weakest I can ever remember this year. Hardly any shows that I was interested in seeing. Maybe I'm just jaded or maybe just too many of those tribute/cover shows which do nothing for me.

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              • If the suggested percentage paid by the Vendors is correct, then they have followed the Live Nation model at a big Festival I do stuff with at home.
                Which was sadly what I suspected all along.

                So the Vendors and the Patrons both get stitched up.

                Greed is Good, so it seems.

                I wonder how long it took the vendors to get paid and also how many will not come back next year.

                LIneFest indeed.

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                • Originally posted by HankAndLeeStamper

                  I don't know the answer. I believe that the craft booths pay a flat fee, not a percentage (i think Rosetree confirmed that). i have been looking for an answer to this for 2023, where I have heard rumors of "20% fee" but this is the first actual reporting i have seen claiming it to be true.

                  Also --- Gregg ---- i thought the plan was we all write in "Black Laurel" on the fest questionnaire, and then when you get an offer you decline and tell them you're boycotting cause of long lines!!
                  Yes, the Crafts area have booth fees, not percentage of sales. They were also not required to go through the Fest POS system. The percentage given for the food vendors is real.

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                  • Originally posted by rosetree

                    Yes, the Crafts area have booth fees, not percentage of sales. They were also not required to go through the Fest POS system. The percentage given for the food vendors is real.
                    Re the food vendors, do you know whether they previously had to pay a percentage--versus a flat fee--and, if so, how much that percentage changed (if at all) this year? I am not talking about the additional 3.25% charge for processing credit cards, but just the amount that food vendors had to pay to Fest previously in order to have a food booth, versus how much they had to pay to Fest this year.

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                    • Originally posted by Lit

                      Re the food vendors, do you know whether they previously had to pay a percentage--versus a flat fee--and, if so, how much that percentage changed (if at all) this year? I am not talking about the additional 3.25% charge for processing credit cards, but just the amount that food vendors had to pay to Fest previously in order to have a food booth, versus how much they had to pay to Fest this year.
                      It was not a subject that was brought up outside of the food vendor community. FWIU, it was 18% before without the CC processing charge and the tax, but I only heard that second-hand.

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                      • Originally posted by rosetree

                        It was not a subject that was brought up outside of the food vendor community. FWIU, it was 18% before without the CC processing charge and the tax, but I only heard that second-hand.
                        Thanks. That's helpful insight, even if second-hand.

                        I am trying to understand how much of the price increases are attributable to an increase in the amount they have to pay to Fest, as opposed to other factors (including inflation, which we've all seen for food prices everywhere).

                        I am also thinking that the decision by the food vendors to add the tax separately (which I believe is 9.45%) also helps them recoup a bit more; if they included it in the price, they would have to pay 22.5% of it to Fest.

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                        • All I know is, when you start trying to tell me how I can spend my cash then I am done…sorry Fest that’s just the way it goes for me.

                          I walk into the Miller tent the way I always do…get my beer and go to tip the bartender and she goes…”sorry we can’t accept tips”
                          F that! How could that possibly affect the bottom line for Fest? It definitely effects the bartenders bottom line.

                          sad…

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                          • Originally posted by innertube
                            All I know is, when you start trying to tell me how I can spend my cash then I am done…sorry Fest that’s just the way it goes for me.

                            I walk into the Miller tent the way I always do…get my beer and go to tip the bartender and she goes…”sorry we can’t accept tips”
                            F that! How could that possibly affect the bottom line for Fest? It definitely effects the bartenders bottom line.

                            sad…
                            Howdy Sam.

                            I am sad that we did not get to catch up at LineFest this year.

                            And I agree with your sentiments %100.

                            Its seems that a Fest, which until very recently prided itself on it relationship with the community and not just monetary greed, has changed its ways.

                            I keep asking, will someone from within the LineFest organization stand up and tell the community exactly why they made this disgraceful decision.

                            Bu they are they too gutless to do so.

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                            • I'll play Devil's Advocate. You enter a contract with a company to open a store whereby you are entitled to 10% of that store's sales in return for letting them rent your store for free. The store sells ice cream and only accepts cash. You see hundreds pf people go in and out of the store every day with cones and cups and doing some math, you believe the store took in approximately $100k in a month. The store owner says they took in $50k and pay you $5k. Are you okay with that?

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                              • Originally posted by mitchells101
                                I'll play Devil's Advocate. You enter a contract with a company to open a store whereby you are entitled to 10% of that store's sales in return for letting them rent your store for free. The store sells ice cream and only accepts cash. You see hundreds pf people go in and out of the store every day with cones and cups and doing some math, you believe the store took in approximately $100k in a month. The store owner says they took in $50k and pay you $5k. Are you okay with that?
                                So you are insinuating that that LineFest venders only reported HALF thier sales prior to this year ? Seems the system in place for 50 years was beneficial to Fest as well as the venders, thus why so many were invited back year after year. LineFest seems to be nickel and dime-ing the venders and consumers to increase the bottom line.

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